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Jack Ditch's avatar

A few thoughts...

I don't think classically liberal values are "more about procedure." For instance, I believe denying someone the ability to speak their mind truthfully is a moral harm, regardless of how hateful that mind. Free speech is not merely a means to an end, it's a good unto itself.

You show how easy it is to "turn Rufo's argument around" and I don't disagree, but I think it simply highlights the bind that all of us are in, choosing lesser evils. That gives me sympathy for both Rufo and you. The "lesser evil" is ultimately an intimately personal decision, and can swing one way or the other based on very slight nuances in how one weighs one's values. We need less debate where both sides consider the lesser evil to be obvious; it's not.

Finally, I would be interested in hearing you write more extensively about the extremism of Trump's anti-woke executive orders. I'm in a position where I might consider them extreme, except in contrast to where Biden staked the goalposts during his term.

I can see some of the harms being attempted (e.g. cancelled drag shows, threats to academic freedom) but those look like they'll be stopped by judges, so I'm mostly concerned about things within the lines drawn by the judiciary. I don't think Trump outright denies gender dysphoria--the military ban, for instance, kind of hinges on trans being a mental illness that requires treatment--but he's throwing down a lot of gauntlets where the QT+ community is going to have to be more clear about the lines between actual gender dysphoria, intersex, and simply playing around with gender-coded dress and mannerisms. I don't see any move from Trump's extended team to overturn Bostock, which definitely protects the latter regardless of whether or not actual gender dysphoria is in play.

And overall, I guess I view "there are two sexes, you can't discriminate or segregate based on them without a really good reason, including (Bostock) discriminating based on gender-coded dress and mannerisms" as a better place from which society can negotiate the few remaining grey zones than "gender is self-id, you can't discriminate or segregate based on biological sex ever, only gender self-id," which is where Biden left us. But I admit, you're better situated to see any costs I might be missing. You need to speak to the part of the center that doesn't see Trump's actions being as harmful to trans as you think they are.

(Hopefully helpful disclosure: gay guy here, no antipathy to trans nor particularly conservative sex/gender values, but fairly comfortable with the idea that haters got rights too.)

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Logan's avatar

TaraElla you are such a bastion of sanity. Love you!

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